Me: Anger from God initiates humility.
J: are you sure it’s not loving discipline?
Me: Discipline is defined as correction and behavior in accordance with rules. We cannot learn to be disciplined to God unless we realize the error of our ways. Humility in this case means that the individual has become humble to God’s discipline. Not only do we become humble as we’ve learned of his anger but we also learn honor, faith and God’s glory.
Our discipline is a reflection of humbled attitudes and fear for the Lord. When we are first corrected we are not immediately disciplined by God’s discipline, we go through stages and one of the first being humility. Here’s some scripture to add:
Psalm 147:6 6 The Lord lifteth up the meek: he casteth the wicked down to the ground.
Proverbs 15:33 33 The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.
Proverbs 18:12 12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.
Proverbs 22:4 4 By humility and the fear of the Lord are riches, and honour, and life.
Romans 12:3 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
2 Corinthians 7:14 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Corinthians 11:30 30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
To finalize my friend, discipline to God doesn’t come before first attaining humility. God bless you.
J: Discipline is simply this, consequence of our sinful ways, we reap what we sow. But surely, sometimes, even when we do the right things, things may still turn awry, like Job, but still, we shall stay faithful, unto our calling, ‘cos we trust in His faithfulness n goodness. Anger don’t bring humility, but outrageous love does. When circumstances push a person to his/her end, he/she is more prepared to seek the salvation of Jesus, the only hope he/she can find, that’s being humbled.
Me: I see what you’re trying to say, it’s commendable. When Paul was a murderer he believed that he was disciplined in the Lord. Jesus had to bring him down to humilitation (humility) for him to truly acknowledge God and God’s love. One won’t be disciplined to God unless they are corrected and God’s anger doesn’t bring abrupt discipline to our ways first we feel humiliation (humility) for what we do and are thus compelled to be disciplined. To be disciplined in God’s grace is to live a life of honor but as Proverbs 15:33 says, “The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.” Gh, and not to be mistaken.. Just because God is angry it doesn’t mean He won’t show his love in anger. He hates evil and will show His wrath towards evil pending that the people change their ways. Also look at the story of Jonah. Jonah was disciplined in the Lord but He knew not humility. He got stuck in a fish for 3 nights and days in order to achieve it and truly trust in God’s word. The people Jonah had to speak to were first humiliated (humility) by putting on sacks and laying on their stomachs in prayer. Once they grew in humility God’s anger subsided and acknowledged them with mercy. God bless.
J: What does it really mean to fear the Lord? We’ll one thing it isn’t, is terror. God doesn’t want us to fear Him but to love Him (Deuteronomy 6:5, Matthew 22:37). God is a loving God and we must understand that fear here does not mean terror. No parent wants their children to fear (as in terror) them and Jesus is no different. What we are talking about is respect, reverence and piety as would be suggested in the meaning of the Hebrew word used yir’ah (Strong’s Hebrew Lexicon). This is the true meaning when speaking of fearing God. That is a good thing because we don’t want to live our lives in terror of the Lord. ou know why God is angry? I felt that kind of anger before, it’s like I advised someone on something that’s good n beneficial, but that person was stubborn n insist on doing it in his/her way which is detrimental. Of course, I got upset n had deep anguish, because he/she was forfeiting him/herself of something really good. It’s because of God’s GREAT LOVE for us that He was angry when we chose to sin (rebel against Him) n hurt ourselves.
Me: When we try to break down fear to comprehend our understanding of God we have to realize that it’s within our own understanding. The flood that came during Noahs time brought great terror to the people. God’s wrath is not limited by the assumption of His compassion. He will do what He wants in order to bring glory to His yet not withstanding He will not do it in such a way that contradicts His love and goodness. If we can agree that God created all people on this earth then lets look at David vs Goliath. God created David in humility and love and as you’ve mentioned, discipline. God created Goliath in wrath and fear and hatred. Goliath brought forth fear to the kingdom and until they witnessed the bravery of David within their humiliation (humility) they were not disciplined enough to trust in God. God bless
J: God’s desire to love us by sharing His glory (incl blessings) with us was so so so great, His plan for us was so so perfectly loving, that when we chose to walk away to darkness, imagine His grief n anger n brokenheartedness. Sorry, I’ll beg to differ from your understanding.
Me: Yes, God loves us and yet also hates evil. It’s stated in the bible over and over that He would show wrath. Wrath is not just a quality of fear but terror (see sodom and gomorrah). If we are fortunate enough to change our ways before his wrath, we are blessed with His mercy. Bad things happen and it’s not because we have a bad God but because we tend to do bad things and He will respond to that. As scripture tells us, God never changes. To try to simplify God outside of scripture is a dangerous route to take in the assumption that God never gets angry or demonstrates it. Humility is a sign of regret, we can’t be disciplined unless we regret the errors of our ways. God will place us in positions of humility, even when He is mad, because He loves us. God bless
J: Humility is not a sign of regret, humility is being truthful, humility is acknowledging your strength and also your weaknesses. Humility is acknowledging God as God, the Almighty, willingly, without being forced. Humility is courage to seeing n accepting truths as truths. God is the Almighty. We’re humbled by His outrageous love, that Jesus, the sinless Holy One has to die for sinners, even for sinners in the future who has yet to know Him, born, or repented. Human can never be right with God by sinning less, because no matter what, all human is born a sinner because of Adam, no one can boast, but only in God’s outrageous mercy n grace thru Christ’s death on the Cross.
Me: Humility is the acknowledgment of pain, sorrow and wrong doing – which is regret. Humility can “bring about” truth, strength and courage. Once you attain humility, you change from your ways it doesn’t go the other way around. To change from your ways is to repent. In order to repent, one must first regret ever doing an act divisive of God’s love. In order to regret an act divisive of God’s love, one must first be humiliated (humility). God bless.
Me: That actually expresses what I’m trying to tell you here. One won’t think about others until he’s given the chance to repent of selfish ways.
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.